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Russell Arben Fox's avatar

I'm not sure I would count as a "doomer," because, as they say, Rome didn't fall in a day. The welfare capitalist-liberal democratic promise proclaimed 70 years ago was never fully achieved and was never going to be as excellent as its boosters made it out to be in the first place, but still, it achieved an enormous number of great and good things, and people will fight to hold on to those things in their places and adapt them to whatever comes next with whatever tools they can find. So yeah, I figure the imperial American dream will pass, like all imperial dreams pass, and maybe our passing with be particularly traumatic as we go through a half-assed populist/theocratic moment while China emerges from its growing pains and truly puts its stamp on the 21st century. But that passing will take decades, characterized by a real gradual and slow and often probably more ridiculous than terrifying decline, and many of our fellow citizens may never know it. In the meantime, we have our gardens, and so will our kids.

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Bill Flarsheim's avatar

I’ll admit that I am an optimist. I think there is a future for humanity, and it will be a good one, but as Keynes said, “In the future, we will all be dead.” Whether the US empire is part of that future depends on the choices we are about to make. I we choose wisely, the American Experiment can be revived in 10 years. If not, we may be dominated by fascists for 10 generations. (Obviously, I’m paralleling the premise of the Foundation Trilogy.)

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